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		<title>Comment on DNA and the Police by Rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.circulartriangle.com/blog/?p=41&#038;cpage=1#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 22:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But... who really cares? So what if they keep it on record? It&#039;s for the good of society. At the end of the day, if you stay innocent it will only protect you from future false accusations and hopefully help find the reall culprit. This seems completely blown out of proportion if you ask me (which I realise you didn&#039;t...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But&#8230; who really cares? So what if they keep it on record? It&#8217;s for the good of society. At the end of the day, if you stay innocent it will only protect you from future false accusations and hopefully help find the reall culprit. This seems completely blown out of proportion if you ask me (which I realise you didn&#8217;t&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on DNA and the Police by Ron Broxted</title>
		<link>http://www.circulartriangle.com/blog/?p=41&#038;cpage=1#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Broxted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You were idiotic to o-operate with the police.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were idiotic to o-operate with the police.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DNA and the Police by AJ Bananananananas</title>
		<link>http://www.circulartriangle.com/blog/?p=41&#038;cpage=1#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ Bananananananas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok so about a year a go I was 13 and our neighbor was SHOT and so they asked everyone questions and i knew the ammendments and police law and stuff so i got away from finger prints and stuff i thought. so the next day they brought me in for questioning and they brought me a soda and i knew they would take my finger prints of there and my dna so i asked for a napkin with it and after i finished i said 1 moment please and wiped the finger prints and dna right off and one of the police officers laughed and then i left.
stupid cops trying to trick a 13 year old</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok so about a year a go I was 13 and our neighbor was SHOT and so they asked everyone questions and i knew the ammendments and police law and stuff so i got away from finger prints and stuff i thought. so the next day they brought me in for questioning and they brought me a soda and i knew they would take my finger prints of there and my dna so i asked for a napkin with it and after i finished i said 1 moment please and wiped the finger prints and dna right off and one of the police officers laughed and then i left.<br />
stupid cops trying to trick a 13 year old</p>
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		<title>Comment on DNA and the Police by The number of the beast is&#8230; &#171; Wizard Prang&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.circulartriangle.com/blog/?p=41&#038;cpage=1#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>The number of the beast is&#8230; &#171; Wizard Prang&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] number of the beast&#160;is&#8230;  I recently stumbled across This piece, in which a man is asked for a DNA sample to &#8220;exclude him from an investigation&#8221;. The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] number of the beast&nbsp;is&#8230;  I recently stumbled across This piece, in which a man is asked for a DNA sample to &#8220;exclude him from an investigation&#8221;. The [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on DNA and the Police by JohnS</title>
		<link>http://www.circulartriangle.com/blog/?p=41&#038;cpage=1#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the UK, all DNA samples taken for any reason are kept on record permanently. Also, all the police need to force a sample being taken and recorded is a suspicion of involvement with a crime, so if they see you glancing into an expensive car they can legitimately say that they suspect you of trying to steal it, take your DNA and thats perfectly legal.

Marvelous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the UK, all DNA samples taken for any reason are kept on record permanently. Also, all the police need to force a sample being taken and recorded is a suspicion of involvement with a crime, so if they see you glancing into an expensive car they can legitimately say that they suspect you of trying to steal it, take your DNA and thats perfectly legal.</p>
<p>Marvelous.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DNA and the Police by Thistle172</title>
		<link>http://www.circulartriangle.com/blog/?p=41&#038;cpage=1#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>Thistle172</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is ANYONE surprised at this turn of events?

You got what was coming to you for being FOOLISH enough to not only believe the words of pigs conducting an investigation, but to cooperate with them. That was simply stupid. Under such circumstances THEY WILL ALWAYS LIE, and you can depend on that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is ANYONE surprised at this turn of events?</p>
<p>You got what was coming to you for being FOOLISH enough to not only believe the words of pigs conducting an investigation, but to cooperate with them. That was simply stupid. Under such circumstances THEY WILL ALWAYS LIE, and you can depend on that!</p>
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		<title>Comment on DNA and the Police by Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.circulartriangle.com/blog/?p=41&#038;cpage=1#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Provided the person has given their written consent, DNA samples may be taken from a volunteer during the course of an investigation and loaded onto the National DNA Database.  The procedure for obtaining consent from a volunteer, which must be in writing, is set out in PACE Code D, Annex F, Note for Guidance F1.   There are two types of consent:
 
·        the volunteer consents to provide a DNA sample for the purposes of the investigation of the specific offence; or
·        the volunteer consents to provide a sample for the purposes of the specific investigation and for the DNA sample to be retained and the          profile added to the National DNA Database.
 
Annex F of PACE Code D explains that, unless the person has given written consent for the police to retain their sample on the National DNA Database for use in future investigations, samples taken voluntarily from a person in connection with the investigation of an offence which they are not suspected of having committed must be destroyed as soon as they have fulfilled the purpose for which they were taken..  Once given, the volunteer cannot withdraw this consent.

These samples are not required to be destroyed, as above, if they were taken for the purpose of the investigation of an offence which a person has been convicted of and a sample was also taken from the convicted person as part of that investigation.  As Note for Guidance F2 of Annex F explains the reason these samples are not required to be destroyed is to allow them to be available for any subsequent miscarriage of justice investigation. 
 
Under the proposals set out by the Home Secretary on 11 November 2009, we propose that a volunteer who provides samples for elimination purposes will not be placed on the DNA database.  Consent will still be required to take the sample, however it will no longer be asked for the sample or fingerprints to remain on a national database.
 
Existing volunteer samples will be destroyed and profiles will be removed from the national database.  This will mean that future volunteer profiles will only be searched against crime scene specific samples relating to the specific offence under investigation.

So the big question is. Did you give written permission? If not you should reply to the police force with this info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Provided the person has given their written consent, DNA samples may be taken from a volunteer during the course of an investigation and loaded onto the National DNA Database.  The procedure for obtaining consent from a volunteer, which must be in writing, is set out in PACE Code D, Annex F, Note for Guidance F1.   There are two types of consent:<br />
 <br />
·        the volunteer consents to provide a DNA sample for the purposes of the investigation of the specific offence; or<br />
·        the volunteer consents to provide a sample for the purposes of the specific investigation and for the DNA sample to be retained and the          profile added to the National DNA Database.<br />
 <br />
Annex F of PACE Code D explains that, unless the person has given written consent for the police to retain their sample on the National DNA Database for use in future investigations, samples taken voluntarily from a person in connection with the investigation of an offence which they are not suspected of having committed must be destroyed as soon as they have fulfilled the purpose for which they were taken..  Once given, the volunteer cannot withdraw this consent.</p>
<p>These samples are not required to be destroyed, as above, if they were taken for the purpose of the investigation of an offence which a person has been convicted of and a sample was also taken from the convicted person as part of that investigation.  As Note for Guidance F2 of Annex F explains the reason these samples are not required to be destroyed is to allow them to be available for any subsequent miscarriage of justice investigation. <br />
 <br />
Under the proposals set out by the Home Secretary on 11 November 2009, we propose that a volunteer who provides samples for elimination purposes will not be placed on the DNA database.  Consent will still be required to take the sample, however it will no longer be asked for the sample or fingerprints to remain on a national database.<br />
 <br />
Existing volunteer samples will be destroyed and profiles will be removed from the national database.  This will mean that future volunteer profiles will only be searched against crime scene specific samples relating to the specific offence under investigation.</p>
<p>So the big question is. Did you give written permission? If not you should reply to the police force with this info.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DNA and the Police by Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.circulartriangle.com/blog/?p=41&#038;cpage=1#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you provide written permission to have your DNA taken? As this was a volunteer sample and not one take. As the result of an arrest then you must give written permission before the sample can be taken. 

You may be interested to know that if the currnt DNA proposals set out in the crime and security bill go through then all volunteer samples will be destroyed and all profiles on the database deleted. Volunter samples will only be kept for the investigation and not held on the database itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you provide written permission to have your DNA taken? As this was a volunteer sample and not one take. As the result of an arrest then you must give written permission before the sample can be taken. </p>
<p>You may be interested to know that if the currnt DNA proposals set out in the crime and security bill go through then all volunteer samples will be destroyed and all profiles on the database deleted. Volunter samples will only be kept for the investigation and not held on the database itself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DNA and the Police by Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.circulartriangle.com/blog/?p=41&#038;cpage=1#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you sure you&#039;re not getting confused with the DNA elimination database that is a separate entity that, eg police officers provide samples for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you sure you&#8217;re not getting confused with the DNA elimination database that is a separate entity that, eg police officers provide samples for?</p>
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		<title>Comment on DNA and the Police by kate</title>
		<link>http://www.circulartriangle.com/blog/?p=41&#038;cpage=1#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you just been slashdotted

your hit count is likely to go way up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you just been slashdotted</p>
<p>your hit count is likely to go way up</p>
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